Ti & Do Father & "Jesus" Heaven's Gate UFO Two Witnesses

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Do you ever find you doubt your faith that the earth hasn’t recycled after the group physically left? Brooke, James (1997-03-31). "For Cowboy in Cult, Long Ride Into Sunset". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331 . Retrieved 2021-04-26. dweisman (March 27, 2019). "22 years ago, Heaven's Gate couldn't wait". Escondido Grapevine . Retrieved June 3, 2019. March 24 ... Fifteen members died that night. Fifteen more died the next day, followed by nine on March 26. Heaven’s Gate astutely points out that Do’s championing of asexuality—and castration, which is recounted in grisly fashion by Sawyer—stemmed from his own self-hatred regarding his homosexuality, just as the 1997 arrival of the Hale-Bopp comet provided Do with the prophetic “sign” he needed to motivate followers to go through with his final plan. Director Tweel shines an illuminating light on the group’s twisted manipulations and rationalizations, which became even more convoluted once Ti died of cancer in 1985, thereby disproving her and Do’s metamorphosis doctrine and forcing Do to continue onward with a revised version of their fate: now, they’d all exit their human forms (i.e their “vehicles”) to spiritually ascend to the “Next Level.” The only true Creators have the scientific know how to literally and in attention to great detail grow all these creatures and aren’t limited to the genetic pools of any planets they also designed and developed.

TI and DO taught that a Soul is actually a physical plasma like container and that what we thought was etheric and described in many ways throughout history as Spirits are more accurately described as Minds that upon leaving the human body they developed within became disincarnate (deceased humans) aka ghosts that also have a plasma like physicality that are like databases outside of a dense physical container we refer to as our human bodies that are simply plants with a “wireless” root system. Scholars have described the theology of Heaven's Gate as a mixture of Christian millenarianism, New Age, and ufology, and as such it has been characterized as a UFO religion. [1] The central belief of the group was that followers could transform themselves into immortal extraterrestrial beings by rejecting their human nature, and they would ascend to heaven, referred to as the "Next Level" or "The Evolutionary Level Above Human". The death of Nettles from cancer in 1985 challenged the group's views on ascension; where they originally believed that they would ascend to heaven while alive aboard a UFO, they later came to believe that the body was merely a "container" or "vehicle" for the soul and that their consciousness would be transferred to new "Next Level bodies" upon death. The style of Sawyer's videos include him, in hour plus long videos, explaining Heaven's Gate and trying to prove that the ideologies expressed in the group were correct. He also uploads old tapes from Heaven's Gate. In a new two-hour special edition of "20/20," ABC News anchor Diane Sawyer and team decode the mysteries of the cult and examine the secrets of its compelling leader, Marshall Applewhite. Watch the trailer in the media player above. Other cultists appear to hope for the same thing. One man, who identifies only by his Heaven’s Gate-assigned name, “Sawyer,” left the cult a few years before the suicide. He has since authored a book about the faith and continues to run a blog called Sawyer Stands for Ti & Do’s Heaven’s Gate.

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Whenever someone says what is not possible, they are either slipping or they are simply not aware of what’s possible in that regard. I am impressed with Billy Carson’s research but that doesn’t mean all he thinks and/or his interpretation of his observations are correct. For instance why can’t it be possible for two people to mate and produce offspring that continue to mate and over thousands of years grow in numbers into the billions. You all might also make note of the way the Catholic church, not only sought to make Peter the foundation of their church because of that little thing Jesus said when Peter correctly answered a question. Jesus was saying what Peter realized was the “foundation” of his believers (church) not the person of Peter. Then they put Mary on a pedestal as well when Mary at best was a student and they made her into a “goddess” like was done before and even tried to link her to the Revelation 12 “Woman”. But before I tell some of that story again, which I believe most of which I wrote about in my blogpost on sawyerhg.wordpress.com under the title “sawyer’s story,” I will refer to what this person who barely was part of the group experienced. When TI and DO split us up in Chicago because our numbers had grown too big to try to hide in camping areas, also considering that the national news had broke calling TI and DO felons who they thought could have been abducting people with this strange promise of a ride on a UFO. Some family members were afraid they would all be led to suicide then, even though it was hardly a concern. That is evidenced in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary. Plus the group had been infiltrated by Rob Balch and David Taylor who simply wanted to write their university thesis on the group. If TI and DO were to take on students they had even the contrary desire of keepings complete non believers in what they were saying out of the group as all they could do was cause unnecessary trouble. After all, the FBI was already looking to question TI and DO, telling some of the 6 students who were traveling with TI and DO they wanted to question them to see if our group had some link to the huge rash of cattle mutilations that had been happening at that time that was documented by Linda Howe in the book she later wrote. Mrc and Srf showed me some of the materials that they had taken from the storage facility, and they showed me the financial ledgers that are not available to the general public. I wrote about them a bit in my book. But really almost everything I have from the end of the group has been made public. I requested it through the Freedom of Information Act from the FBI, and the equivalent laws in California.

I do recall a conversation I had with a journalist who had interviewed one of the members of the sheriff’s department in San Diego. The sheriff’s deputy’s last name was Scully, and he joked with the FBI agents (when they showed up) that they probably knew his sister who worked with Special Agent Mulder. The FBI guys either didn’t get the joke or didn’t think it was funny, and the deputy was sort of bummed. As an X-Files fan, I found it amusing. I would just ask him to tell us something that hasn’t already been said. Even if it’s something small or trivial, or an anecdote.

Something that concerned me. At the end of the HBO documentary sawyer stated that "the gate is still open. only do can close the gate" which is theologically incorrect and a dangerous thought to just release into the world. How did an eccentric, extraterrestrial-centered belief lead 39 people to die willingly? Why do its surviving members keep the faith after watching their brethren die by their own hands? This season, “ Deadly Cults” on Oxygen, will take viewers inside Heaven’s Gate to find answers to these questions. On January 7, 2007, Sawyer created the 3spm account. The purpose of the account, according to Sawyer, was to preserve the message of Heaven's Gate and help people decide if they want to live according to the Heaven's Gate doctrine.

Where Ben Says, “He described not just confusion (which I knew) but a sort of exciting sense of mystery. That makes sense. People like to feel like they are part of something big.”Monmaney, Terence (1997). "Free Will, or Thought Control? Were the Deaths of Heaven's Gate Members the Result of Brainwashing?; The Debate Reflects Larger Cultural Questions about the Role of Choice and the Issue of Vicitimization". Los Angeles Times. Correction – ex-members are not suing each other. I and Crlody and even Cathy are being sued by Mark and Sarah. It’s part of my defense and the defense of the other defendants to counter sue. If we hadn’t counter sued when we provided our “answer” to their complaint we would most likley lose that ability to counter sue. Plus if we hadn’t counter sued then even if all their complaint was thrown out and they didn’t get any of the compensation they are asking for that amounts to millions of dollars, we wouldn’t be able to have a claim on receiving the audio tapes they still have that they never gave to Jhnody, about 100 of them. Plus this defenses has cost me thousands even though Cathy and I have done everything pro se and they should be responsible for the debts I had to incur because of their actions against me/us. He left after a few days, so didn’t know if the people he met ever found the Two. But I strongly suspect they did. Based on what he said, I believe he met Wndody and possibly Lggody as well. They believed that, "to be eligible for membership in the Next Level, humans would have to shed every attachment to the planet". This meant all members had to give up all human-like characteristics, such as their family, friends, gender, sexuality, individuality, jobs, money, and possessions. [70]